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I don’t know anyone from NY who is in the GIULANI corner… I was him for Halloween… I had a WTC Tie (with the towers) and lots of 9/11 and wtc lapel pins… LOL
—–Original Message—– From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:43 PM To: ‘Joseph Brunner’; ‘Gary Duncanson’ Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: RE: OT - RP in 2008
You’re from New York and aren’t in the Gulliani camp?
And yes, Ron Paul makes perfect sense, but unfortunately logic and human nature/greed/politics do not ever mix well together.
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—–Original Message—– From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Brunner Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:39 PM To: ‘Gary Duncanson’ Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: RE: OT - RP in 2008
The treasury bonds are I.O.U.’s written against the future taxes to be paid by the citizens. As long as we keep working and paying taxes the treasury (federal reserve) will be able to pay the interest on the bonds.
In a totally fair system the government couldn’t borrow money from itself. It could only spend what it takes in taxes each year- This is the key point of Ron’s argument. Again, it makes to much sense to be plausible to the US Electorate. The moment some old socialist thinks their monthly stipend is going to be cut, limited, or otherwise adjusted they will run out and vote democratic. There is a good bumper sticker “Vote Democratic it’s easier than getting a job”. Although I must say I’m not happy with the republicans lately. I understand why they are running up these deficits… They are doing exactly as they have been told.
Now let’s get back to Cisco. BTW: I’m voting for Obama!
—–Original Message—– From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:41 AM To: Joseph Brunner Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: OT - RP in 2008
Interesting. So what exactly are the ‘treasury bonds’ worth in real terms and what do they represent? I have seen the national debt of the US increasing over the years. Will there come a point will the plug will be pulled on spend, spend, spend (or is that burn, burn, burn fossil fuels) and
the whole country will disappear down the sink..along with everyone else? Roll on 5/10 years I wonder what the financial landscape will be like.
WASHINGTON, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department said on Wednesday
publicly held U.S. debt breached $9 trillion this week for the first time ever, just five weeks after Congress had raised the statutory borrowing limit.
At the end of September, U.S. President George W. Bush signed a measure to increase the debt limit ceiling to $9.815 trillion from $8.965 trillion, allowing the government to keep issuing debt.
The increase in the debt limit is the fifth since Bush took office in January 2001. The U.S. debt stood at about $5.6 trillion at the start of his
presidency.
—– Original Message —– From: “Joseph Brunner” To: “‘Gary Duncanson’” ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: RE: OT - RP in 2008
> Win? > > No chance. He is against the “US federal reserve”. A private bank > created by a cabal of bankers in 1913 to usurp congress and the > treasury constitutional power of issuing money. Do some research on > the federal reserve. Who created it, how it taxes us through > inflation, removed the us gold reserves to Europe, Its one of Ron’s > key issues. There is a great book called “The Creature from Jekyll > Island. Very important to understand this issue… > > American’s have grown used to spending more than they make. This only > works if the entire US borrows from other nations. We do this by > selling treasury bonds (issued by the private federal reserve) to asia > & the Saudi’s. So Ron wants to stop the very core of the US economy - > live large, spend more than we make, 1/20th of the worlds people burn > half the world’s oil and gas, save nothing, borrow trillions of > dollars, never pay it back, repeat the process. > > -Joe > > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of Gary Duncanson > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:13 AM > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: OT - RP in 2008 > > Im trying to catch up on the latest betting for the US elections next > year and Im finding lots of noise about Ron Paul not being covered by > networks. I notice this fella is very popular in the online community, > youtube etc..Just wondered if those of you in the US think he can win? > Subjective I know but all the polls I seem to find get bashed for one > reason or another. > > Happy New Year when it hits you by the way wherever in the world you > are and best wishes for 2008. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html