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FYI, I attended a BoF for the CCIE at Networkers, and WRT to the SP Track, there was mention of the eventual incorporation of the GSR.
On 7/18/06 3:04 PM, “Chirag Arora” wrote:
> As many people said, 7200 is usually the lowest PE/P box that SPs deploy for > MPLS networks. Also features like L2VPN, TE , AToM INterworking aren’t > suppported on 2800/3800 though they support L3VPN with very few VRfs. L2TPv3 > is supported on almost all the platforms including the ISRs 2800. > > chirag > > > On 7/19/06, Tony Schaffran wrote: >> >> Interesting. >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Tony Schaffran >> >> Network Analyst >> >> CCIE #11071 >> >> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA, >> >> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE >> >> >> >> www.cconlinelabs.com >> >> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals. >> >> >> >> —–Original Message—– >> From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:33 AM >> To: Tony Schaffran; ‘Carlos Manjarres’; ‘Scott Morris’; ‘Joshua Lauer’; >> ‘CCIE LAB’ >> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab??? >> >> >> I think you may be comparing wrong IOS branches. For SP features on >> 7200VXR, >> you should look at 12.0S or 12.2SB feature sets instead of 12.4T or 12.4. >> >> There are some major differences in features. These are some I can think >> of: >> >> 1. L2VPN or AToM using LDP targetted session. low end routers like ISR >> only >> supports l2tpv3 for L2VPN. This also includes L2VPN interworking and local >> switching. >> 2. TE FRR. Fast ReRoute is only supported in 12.0S and 12.2SX (7600/6500 >> platforms). >> 3. BGP optimizations: it was done first on 12.0S, not sure if it’ll be >> integrated into other branches. There are lots of optimizations, and you >> can >> look at 12.0S features in CCO. >> >> There are many minor features in protocols. Best way is to look at new >> features in CCO. >> >> Other things I can think of are hardware. Since POS interfaces are common >> in >> SP environment, and the entry-level router for POS is 7200VXR. hope >> they’ll put in a NPE-G1 or NPE-G2 instead of slower NPE. >> >> I think Cisco is making right move to make the lab more like real world. I >> did mention something like that in my CCIE program survey. >> >> >> Tony Schaffran wrote: >> >> Yes, there are some minor differences, but nothing significant. >> >> Like Scott described, I think it is more the fact that most people cannot >> separate the lab environment from the real world and were probably >> complaining too much. >> >> >> >> Tony Schaffran >> Network Analyst >> CCIE #11071 >> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA, >> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE >> >> www.cconlinelabs.com >> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals. >> >> >> >> —–Original Message—– >> From: Carlos Manjarres [mailto:c_manjarres@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM >> To: Scott Morris; tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘CCIE LAB’ >> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab??? >> >> >> I think that they are introducing the Cisco 7200 >> because is a real SP plattform . Some of the >> features that they can ask with the Cisco 7200 are: >> >> - Cisco7200 as Label Switch Controller >> - Local switching >> - AToM - Like to like and Interworking. I don’t know >> whether AToM is suported on the Cisco 2800. >> - MPLS TE - Inter Area AS Support >> - MPLS TE - Forwarding adjacency >> >> I am still looking what else is different. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Carlos Manjarres >> Systems Engineer >> CCIE #7021 >> >> — Scott Morris wrote: >> >>> I think part of what it is is that people whine and >>> complain. No “serious” >>> SP will be using 2600’s and 2800’s or 3600/3700/3800 >>> in the core of their >>> network. Some people simply cannot separate a >>> testing environment from the >>> real thing despite the fact that technologies (as >>> tested) work the same >>> either place. >>> >>> The use of the 7200 would make it more “real”. >>> Other than that, I’m at a >>> loss. There are some extra features, at least with >>> the likes of the NP-1GE >>> or NP-2G processors… But otherwise, unless >>> they’re going to bring in some >>> OSR7600’s ESR10K’s or GSR12K’s I don’t think there >>> will be any sort of major >>> difference in the lab other than topology and sheer >>> number of interfaces. >>> >>> *shrug* Just my viewpoint. Unless they have >>> something incredibly heinous >>> in mind that I just haven’t thought of yet! >>> >>> >>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service >>> Provider) #4713, JNCIE >>> #153, CISSP, et al. >>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J >>> smorris@ipexpert.com >>> http://www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> >>> >>> —–Original Message—– >>> From: Tony Schaffran >>> [mailto:tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:07 AM >>> To: swm@emanon.com; ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘CCIE LAB’ >>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP >>> lab??? >>> >>> That is probably more likely the reason I guess, but >>> SONET interfaces have >>> been around for a while like the 7200. Why now >>> highlight the 7200? >>> >>> Tony Schaffran >>> Network Analyst >>> CCIE #11071 >>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA, >>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE >>> >>> www.cconlinelabs.com >>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals. >>> >>> >>> >>> —–Original Message—– >>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:57 AM >>> To: ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘Tony Schaffran’; ‘CCIE LAB’ >>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP >>> lab??? >>> >>> >>> And perhaps the introduction of other exciting >>> interface types like SONET? >>> >>> —–Original Message—– >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com >>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of >>> Joshua Lauer >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49 AM >>> To: Tony Schaffran; ‘CCIE LAB’ >>> Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP >>> lab??? >>> >>> L2TPV3 ? >>> >>> Afaik the 2800 doesnt support it >>> >>> jl >>> >>> >>> Joshua Lauer >>> >>> CCIE#16024 >>> CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC >>> >>> —– Original Message —– >>> From: “Tony Schaffran” >>> To: “‘CCIE LAB’” >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:48 AM >>> Subject: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab??? >>> >>> >>>> Can somebody explain to me why cisco is singling >>>> out this router for their >>>> SP lab? What can this particular router do that a >>> >>>> 2800 cannot do in a lab >>>> environment? I know the performance differences, >>>> but is there a fundamental >>>> difference in the IOS? >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> Subscription information may be found at: >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> Subscription information may be found at: >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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