Go CCIE Go!! - A Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert

I generally don’t follow these for too long. They tend to end up with the same old arguements. I do believe they have a place here though. Attaining either a CCIE or a higher education degree requires a lot of time/resources and people want to be sure they are doing the right thing.
There is a right answer but it is on an individual basis. There is no “one size fits all” here.
—–Original Message—– >From: Sean C >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 8:30 AM >To: Duncan Maccubbin , ccielab@groupstudy.com >Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 > >Or that there is no answer. > > >—– Original Message —– >From: “Duncan Maccubbin” >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:23 AM >Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 > > >> Uhhh…the fact it comes up every two months and lives for a while shows >> lots of people care. >> >> >> —–Original Message—– >>>From: “Carl Yost Jr.” >>>Sent: Mar 11, 2008 7:23 AM >>>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com >>>Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 >>> >>>Here we go again…. Wah wah wah… >>> >>>These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn’t help in the spirit of >>>the forum. Isn’t there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ? >>> >>>Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs >>>….. How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no >>>one cares. >>> >>> >>> >>>nrf wrote: >>>>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again, >>>>> can you >>>>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on >>>>> people passing >>>>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their >>>>> Master’s degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I’ll bet the >>>>> answer is >>>>> 0. >>>> >>>> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I’ll not only >>>> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea >>>> how tough the CCIE is, well, let’s be honest guys, how tough is it >>>> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any >>>> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master’s degree in >>>> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is >>>> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over >>>> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I >>>> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD’s at MIT >>>> for over 6 years full-time who still haven’t completed the degree. To >>>> repeat, that’s working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don’t >>>> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job). >>>> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study >>>> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a >>>> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn’t that weighty >>>> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials. >>>> >>>> I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: what severely weakens the >>>> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over >>>> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money, >>>> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test >>>> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that >>>> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other >>>> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams >>>> (which don’t allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to >>>> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite >>>> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being >>>> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE >>>> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that’s it: the game is over >>>> and you’re officially and irrevocably expelled from the program. >>>> Similarly, once you’re a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you >>>> can’t just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until >>>> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your >>>> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE “candidate” can repeatedly >>>> attempt the test with impunity. >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >>>_______________________________________________________________________ >>>Subscription information may be found at: >>>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> Subscription information may be found at: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html