Go CCIE Go!! - A Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert

Uhhh…the fact it comes up every two months and lives for a while shows lots of people care.
—–Original Message—– >From: “Carl Yost Jr.” >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 7:23 AM >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com >Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 > >Here we go again…. Wah wah wah… > >These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn’t help in the spirit of >the forum. Isn’t there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ? > >Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs >….. How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no >one cares. > > > >nrf wrote: >>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again, >>> can you >>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on >>> people passing >>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their >>> Master’s degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I’ll bet the >>> answer is >>> 0. >> >> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I’ll not only >> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea >> how tough the CCIE is, well, let’s be honest guys, how tough is it >> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any >> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master’s degree in >> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is >> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over >> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I >> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD’s at MIT >> for over 6 years full-time who still haven’t completed the degree. To >> repeat, that’s working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don’t >> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job). >> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study >> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a >> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn’t that weighty >> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials. >> >> I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: what severely weakens the >> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over >> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money, >> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test >> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that >> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other >> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams >> (which don’t allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to >> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite >> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being >> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE >> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that’s it: the game is over >> and you’re officially and irrevocably expelled from the program. >> Similarly, once you’re a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you >> can’t just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until >> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your >> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE “candidate” can repeatedly >> attempt the test with impunity. >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> Subscription information may be found at: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >_______________________________________________________________________ >Subscription information may be found at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html